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danq989	Sony VPL-HS10 projector, DVI-D and geforce Ti4200	Lead	[-]
Posts: 7 (08/13/03 10:39:12) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tags : None RWang, Hi, I'm one of many users who has a problem with the Geforce4 series and the Sony VPL-HS10 projector with DVI-D. Native resolution of the projector is 1366x768 at 56Hz (no typo). The projector has two modes for accepting digital video: Digital GBR and Computer. Unfortunately, in neither of these modes does the EDID of the projector report 1366x768 (or similar) to the graphics card. ATI drivers seem not to care, as they allow the full panel resolution to be set despite this EDID reporting. nVidia drivers apparently do not (as of 44.03). Is there some workaround for this using powerstrip, or some other way to turn off EDID checking? I've been a registered Powerstrip user for 3 years and have always found it to be an indispensible utility, and one that usually exceeds my expectations by a long shot. I have searched for a solution (short of a new gfx card) without success for two months. Here are some links for good bkgrnd on the issue: AVS thread: [link=http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=219041&highlight=nvidia+HS1 AVS Forum thread[/link] and nVidia bug report thread: [link=http://support.nvidia.com/apps/support/myRequests/index.asp?RequestKey={321DAA93-5408-498E-8C66-27644804DA5A}]nVidia bug report thread[/link] Many thanks in advance. Finally, some MonInfo reports... Computer mode: Monitor Manufacturer description.... VPL-HS10 Manufacturer................ Sony Plug and Play ID............ SNY20F3 Serial number............... 5000001 Manufacture date............ 2002, ISO week 34 EDID revision............... 1.3 Display type and signal..... Digital Sync input support.......... (n/a) Screen size................. (n/a) Power management............ Standby, Suspend, Active off/sleep Color characteristics Display gamma............... 1.00 Red chromaticity............ Rx 0.650 - Ry 0.350 Green chromaticity.......... Gx 0.300 - Gy 0.600 Blue chromaticity........... Bx 0.150 - By 0.050 White point (default)....... Wx 0.283 - Wy 0.298 Timing characteristics VESA GTF support............ Not supported Horizontal scan range....... 19-72kHz Vertical scan range......... 48-92Hz Video bandwidth............. 100MHz Timing recommendation....... 1024x768 at 85Hz Modeline................ "1024x768" 94.500 1024 1072 1168 1376 768 769 772 808 -hsync -vsync Standard timings supported 640 x 360 at 70Hz - VESA 640 x 480 at 60Hz - IBM VGA 640 x 480 at 67Hz - Mac II 640 x 480 at 72Hz - VESA 640 x 480 at 75Hz - VESA 640 x 480 at 85Hz - VESA 640 x 640 at 70Hz - VESA 720 x 400 at 70Hz - IBM VGA 720 x 400 at 88Hz - IBM XGA2 800 x 600 at 56Hz - VESA 800 x 600 at 60Hz - VESA 800 x 600 at 72Hz - VESA 800 x 600 at 75Hz - VESA 800 x 600 at 85Hz - VESA 832 x 624 at 75Hz - Mac II 1024 x 768 at 43Hz - IBM 8514a 1024 x 768 at 60Hz - VESA 1024 x 768 at 70Hz - VESA 1024 x 768 at 75Hz - VESA 1024 x 768 at 85Hz - Sony 1024 x 768 at 85Hz - VESA Raw EDID (1) 00: 00 FF FF FF FF FF FF 00 4D D9 F3 20 01 01 01 01 10: 22 0C 01 03 81 00 00 00 EA AE B9 A6 59 4C 99 26 20: 0C 48 4C FF FE 00 31 CA 31 0A 61 59 45 59 31 59 30: 01 01 01 01 01 01 EA 24 00 60 41 00 28 30 30 60 40: 13 00 00 00 00 00 00 61 00 00 00 FD 00 30 5C 13 50: 48 0A 00 0A 20 20 20 20 20 20 00 00 00 FC 00 56 60: 50 4C 2D 48 53 31 30 0A 20 20 20 20 00 00 00 FF 70: 00 35 30 30 30 30 30 31 0A 20 20 20 20 20 00 9D Display adapter Adapter description......... NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4200 Adapter device ID........... 0x025310DE Display settings............ 1024x768, 32bpp User/computer information Registered user name........ Dan Registered organization..... Home Network user name........... Dan Network computer name....... DAN-ICE10 Windows version ............ Windows XP Windows build .............. 5.01.2600 Service Pack 1 Installation date .......... 5/13/2103 1:59:52 AM #RS!@#$ GBR mode: Monitor Windows description......... Sony Monitor Manufacturer description.... VPL-HS10 Manufacturer................ Sony Plug and Play ID............ SNY21F3 Serial number............... (n/a) Manufacture date............ 2002 EDID revision............... 1.3 Display type and signal..... Digital Sync input support.......... (n/a) Screen size................. (n/a) Power management............ Not supported Color characteristics Display gamma............... 2.20 Red chromaticity............ Rx 0.625 - Ry 0.340 Green chromaticity.......... Gx 0.280 - Gy 0.595 Blue chromaticity........... Bx 0.155 - By 0.070 White point (default)....... Wx 0.283 - Wy 0.298 Timing characteristics VESA GTF support............ Not supported Horizontal scan range....... 15-46kHz Vertical scan range......... 59-61Hz Video bandwidth............. 80MHz Timing recommendation #1.... 1280x720 at 60Hz Modeline................ "1280x720" 74.250 1280 1390 1430 1650 720 725 730 750 +hsync +vsync Timing recommendation #2.... 720x480 at 60Hz Modeline................ "720x480" 27.000 720 736 798 858 480 489 495 525 -hsync -vsync Standard timings supported 640 x 480 at 60Hz - IBM VGA 720 x 480 at 60Hz - Sony 1280 x 720 at 60Hz - Sony Raw EDID (3) 00: 00 FF FF FF FF FF FF 00 4D D9 F3 21 01 01 01 01 10: 00 0C 01 03 80 00 00 78 0A 0D C9 A0 57 47 98 27 20: 12 48 4C 20 00 00 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 30: 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 1D 00 72 51 D0 1E 20 6E 28 40: 55 00 00 00 00 00 00 1E 8C 0A D0 8A 20 E0 2D 10 50: 10 3E 96 00 00 00 00 00 00 18 00 00 00 FC 00 56 60: 50 4C 2D 48 53 31 30 0A 20 20 20 20 00 00 00 FD 70: 00 3B 3D 0F 2E 08 00 0A 20 20 20 20 20 20 01 C6 Display adapter Adapter description......... Auxiliary port Adapter device ID........... 0x025310DE Display settings............ (n/a) User/computer information Registered user name........ Dan Registered organization..... Home Network user name........... Dan Network computer name....... DAN-ICE10 Windows version ............ Windows XP Windows build .............. 5.01.2600 Service Pack 1 Installation date .......... 5/13/2103 1:59:52 AM
RWang	Re: Sony VPL-HS10 projector, DVI-D and geforce Ti4200	#1	[-]
Posts: 1093 (08/13/03 12:51:07) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	56Hz is no problem, but you don't provide any of the other timing parameters. I assume you've tried the standard PowerStrip procedure: 1. Download and install the latest version of PowerStrip - 3.44 Build 406 2. Download and install the latest NVidia drivers 3. PowerStrip menu > Display profiles > Configure > Advanced timing options > Custom resolutions 4. Select "1368x768p (PDP)" from the predefined list (1366 isn't possible) 5. Reduce the Vertical refresh rate from 60 to 56 6. Click "Add new resolution" and follow the instructions on screen Make sure PowerStrip is set to auto-load, since it will need to reprogram the NVidia pixel clock down to 56Hz.
danq989	Re: Sony VPL-HS10 projector, DVI-D and geforce Ti4200	#2	[-]
Posts: 7 (08/13/03 13:10:10) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Sorry for the lack of details: I've tried the above procedure, but two problems: 1) w/44.03 drivers: The driver seems to reject any custom resolution over 1024x768 in computer mode, even when I un-check "hide modes not supported by monitor". This seems to be because the EDID reports (incorrectly, but Sony isn't going to release a firmware fix, I'll bet) that 1024x768 is the maximum resolution of the projector. 2) w/new 45.24 drivers: I can't set any custom resolutions at al, or control the Ti4200 clock speeds using Powerstrip. ---DanQ
RWang	Re: Sony VPL-HS10 projector, DVI-D and geforce Ti4200	#3	[-]
Posts: 1093 (08/13/03 14:33:51) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	1) 44.03: I had no problem adding 1368x768 at 56Hz w. PowerStrip. I did have to explicit change my monitor type of record with XP, and then reboot - I assume you've done that. 2) 45.24 - again, no problems, and since you say you cannot create any custom resolutions or adjust the clocks, I can only assume you are not using the latest version of PowerStrip? So I'm afraid that makes Sony the culprit, and the only solution would be: 1. a firmware upgrade from Sony 2. a driver switch from NVidia which ignores EDID (the Win9x driver has this, but not the NT driver) 3. an analog connection
danq989	Re: Sony VPL-HS10 projector, DVI-D and geforce Ti4200	#4	[-]
Posts: 7 (08/13/03 15:33:03) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	1) Yup, I created a custom monitor .inf and loaded it in prior to all custom resolution additions. And I can get the 1360x768 @ 56Hz custom res no problem on my analog monitor as you did yourself. It's only under DVI that nVidia drivers become so forceful about obeying the EDID data. 2) I've already regressed back to 44.03, but I may have been using the last non-beta Powerstrip (343) rather than 344 build 406 as you suggest. As you mention, a firware upgrade from Sony would be nice, but since the facilities for upgrading firmware on the projector is itself undocumented, it's unlikely they'll release one. The driver switch for the nVidia drivers is the most likely path for a solution, especially since they already have one for W98 (and Linux, I'm told). Do you have any contacts with the nVidia driver team that you can ask to add this switch, and would you then add a toggle for it in powerstrip? Many thanks for the replies already, and ten times that if you can get nVidia to patch the driver... ---DanQ
RWang	Re: Sony VPL-HS10 projector, DVI-D and geforce Ti4200	#5	[-]
Posts: 1093 (08/13/03 17:42:58) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I'm afraid I have no contacts on NVidia's driver team and, as far as I can tell, they don't have a Developer Relations department. Your best bet is to keep pushing for a solution in their forum. There may already be a registry switch available, and support for it can be easily added to PowerStrip if need be. In the meantime, one thing you might want to try is to power up the computer with the Sony powered off, and only turn the Sony on after Windows is up and running. The EDID is only read once, when the driver initializes, and if the Sony is off, well, there no EDID for the driver to obey...
danq989	Re: Sony VPL-HS10 projector, DVI-D and geforce Ti4200	#6	[-]
Posts: 7 (08/14/03 07:15:59) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Thanks RWang, I gave the power-off/power-on trick a try, but it didn't fool the OS and driver. Apparently this is because DVI-D has hot-connect capabilities, as soon as I turn on the projector, it reports relevant info to the graphics card (and thence the driver). I'll continue to try the nVidia bug forum to see if I can get a fix, but I'm not hopeful. Maybe they'll be more receptive if I threaten to swtich to ATI (as I am indeed considering). ---DanQ
danq989	Got it working under W98!	#7	[-]
Posts: 7 (08/14/03 08:46:51) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Not the world's greatest solution, but I created a new partition and installed W98SE on it, just to test. After proper driver installs and using a powerstrip custom monitor driver and custom resolution , I was able to get the native projector resolution, as you suggested I would. PowerStrip timing parameters: 1360x768=1360,64,144,208,768,1,3,23,79071,7 Generic timing details for 1360x768: HFP=64 HSW=144 HBP=208 kHz=45 VFP=1 VSW=3 VBP=23 Hz=57 Linux modeline parameters: "1360x768" 79.071 1360 1424 1568 1776 768 769 772 795 -hsync -vsync Unfortunately all my data partitions are NTFS, which 98SE can't read, so it's not a permanent solution, but it does give me ammo when harassing nVidia to get this fixed. Thanks again for your efforts and your excellent software. ---DanQ
danq989	45.23/DVI-D GF4 Problems w/custom resolutions	#8	[-]
Posts: 7 (08/16/03 19:42:21) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Hi RWang, I bit the bullet upgraded to 45.23 detonators and also to Powerstrip 3.45 build 412. Now I'm having porblems with _any_ custom resolutions on DVI-D, even ones that are under the max resolution reported by my projector. With 44.03 detonators, I can use 1184x666 (1184x666 active within a 1280x720 timing), which eliminates the overscan my projector produces in VideoGBR mode and 720p. Under 45.23, no custom resolutions stick for DVI-D. Is this a new driver "feature" that can't be worked-around, or is it a problem with the way powerstrip is interacting with the new driver version? Help!
RWang	Re: 45.23/DVI-D GF4 Problems w/custom resolutions	#9	[-]
Posts: 1093 (08/16/03 19:49:04) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I'm not sure w/o more detail - I had no problem with any NVidia card and the latest drivers.
danq989	Deleted rogue registry entry, now it works as before	#10	[-]
Posts: 7 (08/16/03 22:18:39) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Per an AVS forum post (referenced earlier in this thread), I had earlier tried adding a REG_BINARY key called nvEDIDPruning set to 00 00 00 00 in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Control\Video\{9D8BF520-A3FC-44B3-B3BE-9ECE8E271536}\0000 Under previous driver revs (44.03, 44.65) this opened up the dialog in Display Profiles for higher resolutions than the EDID reported (it seemd to be the EDID override switch I was looking for), but it never did actually work; it just created a virtual/extended desktop with the higher resolution but with a screen window == the max reported EDID resolution. Anyway, deleting this key got me back to where I started; custom resolutions now are accepted by the driver, but only if they are lower than the max resolution reported by the projector's EDID. But I thought you might be interested in that key name and value; perhaps a different value would actually let the monitor .inf override the EDID maximums... ---DanQ989

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